Senate President Tito Sotto has remained unfazed after TV host Vice Ganda called him out over his “a man can never be woman” remark.
“When people resort to personal attacks, it means they have lost the debate,” Sotto said on Instagram.
Vice called out Sotto on Thursday night, saying the lawmaker cannot limit the definition of what makes a real woman.
“Joke po ba ito Hon. Senate President Tito Sotto ??? Sinasabi nyo po ba na naniniwala kayo na ang pagiging BABAE ay nasusukat lamang sa pagkakaroon ng obaryo o matris at sa kakayahan lang na mabuntis o magka-anak?,” Vice said.
For the ‘Unkabogable Star’ womanhood should not be limited to a person’s capacity to bear a child.
“Paumanhin po HON. SENATE PRESIDENT Sotto. Pero i believe this statement is just not fair. There are people who pretend to be FEMINISTS to hide their being MISOGYNISTS,” Vice said.
Honestly, Di ko gusto c Tito Sotto, pero s statement nya, he agree with him. A man cannot become a woman, or vice verse. May dahilan ang nature why a man and a woman are created differently. Kung ikaw ay naging babae dahil s doctor, then you are not a real woman, unless bumuka ang langit, lumabas ang Diyos, nag magic at ginawa kang babae, acceptable p yun. Personal choice mo magiging superficial woman. May silicon breast k, operada ang vagina mo at Naka bihis Babae k, but at the end, Lalake k p din.
True. If God created you as a man then you can’t in any way be a woman, & vice versa.
I agree …. no matter what medicine can do .. or feeling mo babae ka talaga .. but you were born as a male .. then you are always a male person …
“When people resort to personal attacks, it means they have lost the debate,” Sotto said on Instagram.
Since when did the clown senator ever engage in a debate? Eh puro privilege speech lang alam niyan. Remember when RH law advocates challenged him to a debate but he rejected the challenge and instead gave a plagiarized speech?
Makinig ka sa sinasabi ser wag sa personality. Kaya wala pinupuntahan ang bansa natin dahil sa mga taong nambabatikos lang at hindi issue ang kilatisin.
the senate president is just right in his comment with regards to his description as a real woman..
just concentrate in the issue and dont divert the topic into another issue..
if you cant prove what you believe just shut up and keep your mouth shut…
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Hindi lahat ng kalayaan at Tama,read the BIBLE
Your Bible also says that snakes can talk, slavery is good, and virgins can get pregnant.
Mr. Viceral, kahit magpa opera pa ang isang bakla at gawin niang mukhang babae sarili niya, hindi mo pa rin mapapaoperahan ang internal structure mo, muscles and bone, na para talaga s lalaki.
I’m my opinion in this matter is yes, a gay is limited in becoming a woman. God is so intelligent and we humans who have human intelligence should not argue with God’s divine intelligence. He chose our gender. Kaya pagbalibaliktarin man natin ang mundo kung lalake ka sa mata ng Diyos lalake ka tlaga. Why can’t we just obey God? We can’t tell God that he is wrong in making you a male. God knows the best for us. Wag natin kalabanin ang Diyos because it won’t save us from eternal fire in hell. Don’t be mad at me, I’m just stating what Bible is saying.
It’s ok to State the Bible. It’s like stating Harry Potter or Lord of the rings. Whichever works for yah. FYI you should separate facts from fiction
If you don’t believe in the Bible its pointless to separate facts from fiction coz perhaps everything is a fiction to you. I don’t want to argue with what you believe. But all of us have freedom of speech.
If you believe in the Bible then it’s really pointless to discuss anything logical to you.
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I was really waiting for him to further discuss any logical points regarding religion
Do you believe you know everything?
I am not claiming anything like that. But basing your life decisions with a fictional book isn’t really appealing ain’t it?
Rape?
Answer: Deuteronomy 22:28-29 is often pointed to by atheists, skeptics, and other Bible attackers as evidence that the Bible is backwards, cruel, and misogynist, and therefore, not the Word of God. At first glance, this passage seems to command that a rape victim must marry her rapist. Is that the correct interpretation of the text, and if so, how is that not horribly unfair to the woman? This issue is actually addressed in two passages, both of which are below:
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.”
Exodus 22:16-17 “If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride price for her and make her his wife. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride price for virgins.”
Together, these passages clearly state that if a man has sex with a virgin who is not betrothed (regardless of whether or not it was rape or consensual) he is obliged to marry her. He should have sought her father’s permission first, negotiated a bride-price, and taken her as his wife. Because he did not, he is punished for this—he now must pay up (he can’t opt out any more) and marry her (which could be a major punishment in itself if this was a foolish, spur-of-the-moment act and she really wasn’t the right woman for him!).
Also note that “he may not divorce her all his days” – this initially doesn’t seem significant but is actually a major punishment. Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (restated more clearly in Matthew 5:32 and 19:9) allowed for divorce, but only in the case of sexual immorality (the word “uncleanness” refers to this and was translated as such in the LXX). This man now may not divorce his wife even for this reason, but is obliged to continue to support her all his life whatever she does.
But her father is ultimately in authority over her, as her head, until he hands this authority over to her husband. If the man is unsuitable, the father can refuse to give his daughter to him. How many fathers would give their daughter to a rapist? Not many. So, in general, a rapist would actually have to pay a 50 silver shekel fine to her father, and not get a wife at all.
The answer to the question is in Exodus 22:17 – the woman does NOT have to marry a rapist, she must only do what her father says.
Note that throughout the Old Testament no rape victim is ever recorded as being forced to marry a rapist. However it is plausible that there could be circumstances in which a father would choose to have his daughter marry a rapist. In 2 Samuel 13, Amnon, a son of David, rapes his half-sister, Tamar. Tamar was not forced to marry Amnon. Interestingly, though, Tamar seemed to have wanted to marry Amnon after the rape (2 Samuel 13:13-16). Why would she desire such a thing? In that culture, virginity was highly prized. It would have been very difficult for a woman who was not a virgin, and especially a woman who had been raped, to find a man to marry her. It seems that Tamar would have rather married Amnon than live desolate and single the rest of her life, which is what happened to her (2 Samuel 13:20). So Deuteronomy 22:28-29 could be viewed as merciful to the woman, who, because of the rape, would be considered unmarriageable. In that culture, a woman without a husband would have a very difficult time providing for herself. Unmarried women often had no choice but to sell themselves into slavery or prostitution just to survive. This is why the passage leaves marriage to the discretion of the father, because every situation is different, and it is better to be flexible than have a blanket rule.
Also note that the penalty for having sex with an unbetrothed virgin is completely different from the penalty for sex with a married or betrothed woman. Sex with a married or betrothed woman is adultery and was to be punished by the death of both if consensual, or the death of the man if it was rape (Deuteronomy 22:22-27).
Wow how sick do you have to be to accept this as reasonable? So to simply put it, you get raped, then you will then be married to whomever disgusting asshole did that to you. And his punishment would be is that he have to support you your whole life and cannot divorce you. So how about her feelings? What if she doesn’t want to marry him? What if she likes someone else? Do you ever think about the rape victims overall trauma and psychological distraught after they’ve been raped? You are a very sick individual and I hope no one in your family gets raped.
we’re sick? The father has authority to say yes or no, if she and the father get together and “she” says “she doesn’t want that guy at all” he(the father) can force him(the rapist) to pay a big fine and leave, she is not forced to marry anyone. what father wants there daughter to marry a rapist? definitely not very many, and also we just said the punishment for rape could be death as well.
“When people resort to personal attacks, it means they have lost the debate.” – Sotto
So his father has the authority over what she is supposed to feel over the act of being raped. If the father is ok with it then so be it. What father wants their daughter to marry a rapist?? Have you been living under a rock? Try to read relevant news and documentaries of women being forced to marry their rapist just because of some sick back story. Btw it’s “their daughter to marry” not “there daughter”
fun fact: Noah and 7 others could have taken care of about 16,000 animals and not “10”, noah was not a dummy, he was pretty smart, there are ways to take care of animals in fact there are multiple different scenarios Noah could have used. from windows to venting systems to “slope/slate” for the manure/waste, gotta think outside the “box” and figure out a solution to the problem.
You’ve said it, 16000 animals dude. 16000 animals. Wait let me remind you about the 16000 animals that constantly poops. Do you have any brain cells left? Have you ever been to the zoo? How many animals are in there and how many people were hired to clean after them? And it still fuckin stinks. So imagine that then multiply it by 16000.
Fun fact: The Holy Bible will be and HAS BEEN proven many times, even to the time frame of just moments of Jesus’ death, jews and romans alike(who arent in the bible) Josephus(A jewish Historian) and among a few others such as Saul(who is now Paul) Saul was a murderer of the christians and he was pharisee during the time of Jesus, when JESUS was alive lol. Fact: Nobody could ever produce the body of Jesus Christ…. I wonder why?
Empty Tomb Scenario:
– The romans wanted him to stay dead so they couldnt possibly have stolen the body, it would have aided them in saying hes still dead.
– The Religious Leaders didnt want to steal the body, they wanted him dead to begin with, since he claimed to be God himself.
– The Disciples couldn’t steal the body of Jesus, theirs much proof and documentation that they didnt have the means or the way, since they were all very poor.
9 sources inside/outside the New Testament that encountered the risen Christ:
1: creed of 1 corinthians
2: Paul
3: acts with peter and the 3000 who agreed and repented.
4 5 6 7: matthew mark luke john
8 and 9(2 sources outside): Clement(Clement – History Timeline) and Polycarp who gave 2 testimonies outside the Holy Bible further verify the validity of the Holy Bible/Christ Jesus
A: Harry Potter is 100% Fictional since we dont and cant ride on a “Broom” or wave a “magic wand” and call a dragon out or a magical forest out…. or shoot lasers at each other from a waving “stick”
What logic can you bring up with us? Can you even mention 1 thing?
Fun fact. If you rape someone, you could just pay their father a few silver coins and your mighty god is all good with that. Fun fact, how many animals do you know??? Ask Noah. Maybe he know about 10 that’s why they thought they could fit it in that imaginary ark. Fun fact, the amount of methane in that ark because of the poop of the animals would make it impossible for them to survive 40 days. Fun fact, read a book. A REAL ONE. You are an adult. Stop believing angels, demons, fairies, santa, Jesus and unicorns. Grow up!!
I would also like to state in our defense…. id rather die knowing Jesus Christ and realize theres NOTHING THERE and nothing happens, then to die not believing in Jesus Christ and realizing im in HELL FOREVER. the Christian has everything to gain, and nothing to lose, the unbeliever on the other hand, has everything to lose and nothing to gain.
since eternal life awaits the obedient and saved/born again Christian. God bless
You have everything to gain. You can be nice to people just because that’s the right thing to do. Not because you want to suck up to your imaginary sky daddy
You wanted logic. I gave you logic and facts. You didn’t even disprove anything I said and you cant. Since God lives within me with the power of the Holy Spirit, i know i am saved 200% and im going to heaven. I have no doubts. I am full of Joy and peace and comfort knowing that I am a Child of God.
Cge nga. Let ur god stop crisis and corruption in the Phils.. It’s the irony tbh kc ang mga corrupt people pa ang mga ”religious” kuno. And in the first place, a religion is just a belief.
“than to die” not “then to die” FYI
You are trying to do good or be a good person just because you are afraid.
Vice and Sotto both have points. By convention, a person wit a male reproductive organ is coin as a Man and a person wit a female reproductive organ is a Woman. But would we rather limit our understanding to the physiological aspect of things?
How about the psychological aspects? What then if this “man or woman” is “transitioning” to become a “woman or a man, respectively”? What do u call them? Would we rather wait for them to fully transition to their desired physiological manifestation before we acknowledge them? What if they don.t have the resources to do so?
I guess, what I am tryin to say is the world and the perspective of things are changing. We can try to honor and acknowledge that fact while it is happening. As we evolve to become more learned individuals, letz try to be accepting and receptive to feedback and facts. We might not know, the color black today might not be called “black” tomorrow.
#kapitlangmgabeshies
Im Straight Man. And Im a Catholic and wala akong problema sa bading or tomboy. Pero kung ibabase natin sa bible to syempre mali sila pero kung sa reality wala tayong magagawa dahil choice nila to. And kung pagsasamahin para sakin hindi naman tayo si God para ijudge ang tao kung may mali man s God na ang huhusga at hindi kayo dahil tayo ngang tao makasalanan at marami din nagsasabi mapagpatawad ang diyos. Kaya kung matepok na siya ay bakla or Tomboy sa buhay niya yun ay wala na tayong pakielam dahil sa huli di tayo ang huhusga. At pag naghusga lang kayo ng tao madadagdagan lang kasalanan niyo. Kaya wag maging tanga wag ibased sa isa lang ibase niyo sa parehas. Ako nga mismo di ko alam san ako pupunta kung sa langit.ba o sa ibaba. Pero ako din mismo ginagawa ko lahat para maging masaya habang buhay ako. Kaya intindihin niyo muna yung sarili niyo bago kayo manghusga at mag opinion sa ibang tao.
Isipin niyo pano din yung aetheist? Eh hindi sila naniniwala na may God mahirap ba igets yun na di naman sila lahat mapipilit kasi may choice sila kung maniniwala ba sila na meron o hindi hindi lahat may religion. My point is don’t just point out what’s in the bible if maniniwala tayo bible walang pronlema if hindi wala din problema. Pero try natin pagsamahin yung dalawa and bumuo ng conclusion na mas maayos and be peaceful. Maybe that is God wants us to do to try to be peaceful in terms all of these.
Hi, uhmm.. if you are still unsure where you will go then I suggest never to engage in a battle of wits unarmed.
just not being bias only trying to give a example my opinion both sides and I’m not engaging on any battle trying to be referee here.
Try again, I am atheist.
Well said… amen to that.
true that
Kahit kasing anong gawin nyo at the end of the day or evrytime na maliligo kau pagyuko nyo makikita nyo na kung ano talaga kau….Hinde nyo maloloko ang sarili nyo kung ano talaga kayo…Yes,,against din ako sa discrimination pero wag din ninyong balewala in ang mga rights naming mga babaee
Buti pa si Sen. Tito Sotto may pakealam sa mga babae.
The moment you invoke your imaginary deity and bronze age fairy tales, your opinion has become worthless. Try logic and reason next time.
Pro ako po ay may anak na isang bakla dahil sa lahi ng side ng asawa ko halos silang 9 na magkapatid ay may anak na bakla .
Dapat bigyan natin ng space ang mga taong ito di na susukat sa pagiging bakla ang katauhan ng isang tao kundi sa pag uugali at pakikisama sa isang kapwa nya. Kung makakausap ko lang ang diyos ng personal pasalamatan ko siya dahil isa rin biyaya ang anak kong bakla sa akin . So ang diyos pa rin ang lumikha ng mga bakla wala lang sa bible isinulat . Pro pra kay Mr. Viceral ako po ay masaya lagi pra sayo isa kang huwarang tao dito sa ating bansa dahil sa pag asenso mo sa buhay. At wala kang na corrupt
na pera sa bayan. Isa ka sa nkatulong sa bayan dahil nagbabayad ka ng malaking buwis sa bayan.
Hindi po ang God Almighty ang lumikha sa kanila, binanggit po sila sa Bible, Torah at Quran. Nakasulat po kung paano at bakit umulan ng asupre at tinupok ng Diyos ang Sodom at Gomorrah. ?
Yes, you are correct! God created man and woman. Wala nakalagay God created bakla and tomboy. Bakla and tomboy are created by humans. People are confused sometimes.
You should have stopped believing in fairy tales and imaginary places when you grew up and grew a brain
Kasama sa usapan eh ang pagpasok nang male sa CR nang female. Delikado ito at pedeng samantalahin na may masamang isip. Gusto nyo, pagawa kayo nang LGBT CR
Yun nga rin naisip ko. kahit sinong lalake pwede magpanggap na bakla para makapasok sa CR ng babae. Wag naman ganun. Grabe, sa daming taong nagugutom at namamatay talagang CR ung big deal nila eh noh.
What is xy chromosomes…?
What is XY Chromosomes —
Girls and women typically have two X chromosomes, while boys and men usually have one X chromosome and one Y chromosome. God bless @james.
Guys, let us not complicate things. We all know that “GENDER” pertains to the genitalia of a person at birth. This is super effortless basic knowledge unless you are a no brainer. Even the Bible mentioned that the heart of men is easily deceived. If you believe that you are a man, but woman at heart, then your heart is deceived. Unless, you’re used to being deceived. If so, you’re also good at deceiving others. “ARE YOU A DECEIVER”? If you do, whether you like it or not or you accept it or not, then you should get to know your real “FATHER” as described in the Bible. Good luck to you!
Lol.. the person who would be more confuse are the midwife. A baby came out and saw a penis and would say “oh this one is a girl by heart”. Or rather just wait 5 years and ask the child what gender he wants to be. since they want to be a woman there’s no need to put gender in birth certificate then. I think that’s what they want. But is SOGIE Bill that necessary? A lot of people dying and starving from poverty. We should not major the minor.
My opinion only.. ung bakla pd mag lagay ng ari ng babae .at ang babae pd mag lagay ng panlalaki ..ang pinag kaiba lang don d sila same ng organ . Kahit may ari ka ng pambabae kung wla ka naman organ ng babae .. u still lalaki ka pa din kc nag palagay ka lang para matawag na babae .sa mata ng tao at god .still lalaki ka pa din ..
To meme vice kindly read this
Vice Ganda:
“Joke po ba ito Hon. Senate President Tito Sotto ??? Sinasabi nyo po ba na naniniwala kayo na ang pagiging BABAE ay nasusukat lamang sa pagkakaroon ng obaryo o matris at sa kakayahan lang na mabuntis o magka-anak? E paano po yung mga nagkaroon ng matinding karamdaman at tinanggalan ng obaryo? Di na po ba sila BABAE? Wala na ba silang karapatang tawaging BABAE? O bumaba na ba ang uri ng kanilang PAGKAKABABAE? Paano din po yung mga baog at walang kakayahang magka-anak? Ano po sila? Di na din sila BABAE? Mga wala na ba silang kwentang mga BABAE? At paano naman po yung mga BABAENG choice nila na wag mag-anak dahil ayaw nila dahil sa kanilang mga personal na rason? Di na din ba sila matatawag na BABAE? Paano din po yung mga BABAE na may obaryo pero pinayuhang wag magbuntis dahil sa medikal na kondisyon at maaring mameligro ang kanilang buhay? Di na din sila BABAE? Ano na po sila? Paano din po yung mga BABAENG may obaryo pero wala pang anak dahil ayaw naman nilang magpatira kung kani kanino? Ano na sila? Parang ang baba naman po pala ng tingin nyo sa mga BABAE. Naniniwala po ako na ang mga BABAE ay BABAE di dahil sa obaryo at sa kakayahang bumukaka at umire. Sila ay BABAE dahil sila ay BABAE. At MAY HALAGA sila may matris man o wala, magbuntis man o hindi, may anak man o wala dahil sila ay ay TAO at sila ay BABAE. Sinubukan ninyong maliitin ang konsepto ng pagiging TRANSGENDER sa paraang tinapakan nyo rin ang dignidad ng mga tinatawag nyong TOTOONG BABAE. Paumanhin po HON. SENATE PRESIDENT Sotto. Pero i believe this statement is just not fair. There are people who pretend to be FEMINISTS to hide their being MISOGYNISTS.”
RG’s sagot:
MALING MALI ka Vice Ganda.Bakit?
1.Ang babae ay nilikha ng Dios,tinawag siyang babae sapagkat kumpleto siya sa lahat ng physical na parte bilang babae ganun din naman ang lalaki.Kung mang yari man yong sinabi mo na pano na kung walang obaryo,ayaw manganak o di magkaanak.. etc Yon ay mga sitwasyon lamang ng isang babae.remember BABAE pa rin.
2.Pero kung sasabihin mo na kabastosan sa mga babae kung sasabihin at sinabi na nga ni Senator Sotto na kailanman ay di mangyayari na ang lalaki ay magiging babae dahil wala siyang matris..Hindi kabastosan yon vice,yun yong KATOTOHANAN.Dahil ang pagkalalaki at pagkababae ay biological at hindi dahil sa feeling at choice lamang.Ngayon kung babagohin nyo ang pagkakalikha nyo ng Dios by way of permissive choice.Nasa inyo na yan kung papaano nyo dalhin o i behave ang sarili niyo.BUT please huwag niyong itanim sa isipan ng mga tao lalo na sa upcoming generations na ang ating gender ay madedisisyonan sa pamamagitan ng ating choice at feeling lamang..
3.Ang lgbt ay mga tao din na nilikha ng Dios kaya dapat nating respetohin ngunit dapat nilang lingonin ang roots ng ating pagiging nilikha at yon ay ang pagkakilala ng Taga paglikha walang iba kondi ang Dios..At ang sabi ng Biblia,God made male and female only.No more no less ns kung saan ang Divine purpose ay magparami.Kaya nga may sperm cell ng lalaki at egg cell ng babae na siyang kinakailangan upang may mabuhay na tao.Na kaylan man ay hindi mangyaysri sa same sexes.
4.Wag mong ilihis ang issue,ang issue is..Hindi kayang tangapin ang batas na nag iendorso ng same sex marriage at ang iniindorso ng SOGIE na hayaan na lamang magdecide ang bata sa kanyang pag laki na siyang mag dedicide kung lalaki ba siya o babae dahil wala pong PREDICTIVE BIRTH.Nang ginawa tayo ng Dios binigyan na tayo ng identity at gender at yon ay male and female lamang.
5.Ang statement ni Sen.Sotto ay hindi statement ng isang Mysoginist dahil sila pa nga ang nagsabatas ng womens rights..Yun ay statement ng KATOTOHANAN na dapat nating tangapin….ROMEOGONZ
#NotoSOGIEBILL
This topic arose because Sen. Sotto is pertaining to SOGIE Bill. I just found this video on YouTube which is about why SOGIE Bill should not be implemented. Let us all educate ourselves about the consequences of this Bill to the lives of Filipino people and to the next generation.
https://youtu.be/nVeR5Mx3b9E
If we base this in Bible, it is a big mistake, changing what God made you. But as long as wala kang natatapakan na ibang tao, nothing wrong with it. Aminin man natin o hindi, may mga bakla o tomboy pa din na mas maayos at mas matitino kaysa sa tunay na lalaki o babae. God only created man and woman. Pero kailan ba sinabi ng Diyos na bawal maging binabae at linalake. Being a Gay or Lesbian means your disobeying God. Dahil hangga’t tama ang ginagawa mo sa kapwa mo tao hindi yun labag sa utos ng Diyos. Kahit basahin mo ang buong Bible, walang nakasaad dun na bawal maging bakla at tomboy. Kundi ang pinagbabawal lang ng Diyos ay ang paggawa ng di mabuti.